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<p>Posted by <b><!--poster-->Philip Newton</b>
on <!--date-->3:11 7/17/2001
<p>In reply to: (none)
<p> How is î spelled in Verdurian script? The <a
href="http://www.zompist.com/phonology.htm">phonology page</a>, under
<a
href="http://www.zompist.com/phonology.htm#diacrit">"Diacritics"</a>,
talks about a "<b>breve</b> or short symbol" which "[i]n the modern
language ... only appears on <b>i</b>".</p>
<p>Later on, under <a
href="http://www.zompist.com/phonology.htm#hist">"History"</a>,
subection "Diacritics", it mentions that "the diacritic [for î]
is a reversed <i>mole</i>" -- but this "reversed <i>mole</i>" is not
found in the list of diacritics under the main section <a
href="http://www.zompist.com/phonology.htm#diacrit">"Diacritics"</a>
(nor is there a VERDURIAN COMBINING BREVE [or whatever] in the <a
href="http://www.egt.ie/standards/csur/verdurian.html">ConScript
Unicode Registry page on Verdurian</a>.</p>
<p>The font <em>Maraille</em> has a character i-breve as well as
I-breve (at positions 180 and 231, respectively). Since it was supposed
to map one-to-one to the font <em>Verdurian</em>, I had a look in it
and found the following two characters: <img
src="http://newton.digitalspace.net/smallicirc.gif" width="26"
height="28" alt="[î]"> for î and <img
src="http://newton.digitalspace.net/bigicirc.gif" width="31" height="37"
alt="[Î]"> for Î. These <strong>do</strong> look like a
Verdurian <b>i</b> with "a reversed <i>mole</i>" -- but I do not see
how they derive from the alphabet listed on the phonology page, nor the
CSUR entry. Is there, perhaps, a letter VERDURIAN (SMALL/CAPITAL)
LETTER I WITH BREVE missing, or a VERDURIAN COMBINING BREVE? VERDURIAN
(SMALL/CAPITAL) LETTER I BREVE is the <i>i brevë</i> which is
usually transliterated <b>y</b>, not the <b>î</b>.</p>
<p>Since the spelling of Verdurian is said to be "highly phonemic" (in
the section on <a
href="http://www.zompist.com/phonology.htm#letters">letterforms</a>)
and the distinction between <b>i</b> and <b>î</b> is shown to be
phonemic, I would expect this distinction to be representable in the
script.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>Philip.</p>
<hr><i>Mark responds:
<p>It's definitely missing from the CSUR page. I don't know what happened
there, and I think my correspondance with Michael Everson is in the PC
mail file I can't get to right now. I know we looked at everything in
Maraille, so either we both lost it, or made some sort of decision
not to include it.
<p>What's really odd is that the CSUR page <b>does</b> have a <b>u</b> with
breve! (They're in Maraille, but I've never actually used them... except
in the numbers database.) That makes me think that Michael thought that "i-breve" and
"i-with-breve" were the same thing.
<p>I should update <a href="http://www.zompist.com/znak3.gif">the diacritics picture</a> to include the <b>breve</b>.
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