|
Server : Apache/2.4.62 System : FreeBSD fbsdweb2.web.rcn.net 14.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE releng/14.1-n267679-10e31f0946d8 GENERIC amd64 User : www ( 80) PHP Version : 8.3.8 Disable Function : NONE Directory : /domains/markrose/board/messages/ |
Upload File : |
<html><head><title>Verdurian source materials & KZ once again . . .</title></head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<center><h1><!--title-->Verdurian source materials & KZ once again . . .
</h1></center>
<hr size=7 width=75>
<p>Posted by <b><!--poster-->Glenn Kempf</b>
on <!--date-->1:46 5/2/02
<p>In reply to: <a href="373.html">Verdurian source materials & KZ once again . . .</a> posted by Christopher O'Regan</b> on 20:36 5/1/02
<!-- PUT MESSAGE HERE -->
<p>
I agree with Mark that the root vs. word issue makes a difference,
since it sets a context for the words in question (i.e., Verdurian has
the Russian-like negatives <i>nikto</i> and <i>Nëcto</i>, but
<i>rho</i> rather than <i>ne, nyet</i> for "no, not"--one of the things
that jumped out.
<p>In answer to Chris' question, Russian has definitely influenced Kazakh in
terms of vocabulary, especially with the high degree of bilingualism
(although grammar and syntax remain largely untouched). Kazakh has
influenced Russian much less, apart from a few borrowed terms (including
slang and profanity) among Russian-speakers familiar with Kazakh. On the
other hand, cuisine, for example, may be a greater influence; as a
non-Kazakh friend told me, in southern KZ, even the non-Muslim peoples
make Kazkah and Uzbek dishes such as beshbarmak (flat pasta with
meat--Kazakh), plov (rice pilaf-Uzbek/Tajik), lagman (a noodle soup from
the Uighur and Dungan peoples of northwest China). On the other hand,
the Kazakhs and Uzbeks eat borsch and Russian salads and swig down vodka,
and some of the more specialized dishes (such as Kazakh boiled sheep's
head) are not as widespread.
<p>(The latter is one dish Mark might want to keep in mind for the southern
nomads; it is accompanied by rules about who gets what part of the
head--the right cheek to a guest, the ears to children so they will learn
to listen, and so forth. And how many dishes can look back up at the
plate at you? As you might have guessed, I've tried <i>koi basy</i>
myself, but I'm not a big fan.)
<p>Ad onlelán,
<br>Glenn
<hr><i>Mark responds:
<p>Hey, it only makes sense to use the whole sheep! I like the part about
who gets what part.
<p>I tried to take care of the Verdurian negatives when working on Cadhinor.
<b>Rho</b> is simply a borrowing; Cadhinor had a negative morpheme <b>nis</b>.
(It's not unheard of for a language to change the way it does negatives...
French is a good example; in the spoken language, <b>pas</b> has almost
entirely replaced Latin <b>ne</b> and later <b>ne...pas</b>.)
</i>
<hr><center>
<i>To make a reply, or see replies, see <a href="../">the index page</a>.</i>
</center>
<hr>
<!-- For index page:
<li><a href="messages/374.html">Verdurian source materials & KZ once again . . .</a> -
<b>Glenn Kempf</b>
<i>1:46 5/2/02</i>
-->
</body></html>