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<p>Posted by <b><!--poster-->Philip Newton</b>
on <!--date-->13:18 2/26/02
<p>In reply to: <a href="324.html">Almean dragons?</a> posted by Joey</b> on 00:28 2/25/02
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And what about stars? Verdurian (curulë) and Cuêzi (alaldas)
have a word for them, but none of Ismaîn, Barakhinei, Cadhinor, or
proto-Eastern appear to have a word for it, as far as I could see. (Wede:i
has "ma:in", however.) Didn't those people ever look up at the night
sky?</p>
<p>While attempting to translate a little poem into several languages, I
made up what I though plausible versions: I posited a Cadhinor borrowing
*alaldos from the Cuêzi (male) noun alaldas, which then became
Barakhinei *alôd (< *alôld < alôldo < alaldo <
Cadh. alaldos) and Ismaîn *alal,de (< alal,do < alaldo <
Cadh. alaldos) through regular sound changes. This doesn't explain Verdurian
curulë, but perhaps they just made up another word or borrowed a poetic
synonym which disappeared in the other languages. (What would have been the
reflex of *alaldos? > alaldôs > alaldô > alald? But
compare "dunalál" without the final -d, which is said to come from
Cadhinor DUNALALDOS, from Cuêzi dunalaldos. So it seems Cadhinor had
"dunalaldos" but not *"alaldos"? And that Cuêzi spelled the word
inconsistently -dos or -das?)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br>Philip.</p>
<hr><i>Mark responds:
<p>I think this dates back to when I was re-working Cadhinor. I'd have to
check my list of difficult etymologies at home, but I'd guess that I didn't
like any of the possible etymons for <b>curulë</b>. The late Cadhinor
form would have to be CURULILE (or, given that there's a difficult-to-explain
o > u change in many words, CUROLILE or CORULILE). This would be a nominalization of
a yet-unknown root CURUL-. It's tempting to interpret this as a past participle; it's too old a word however for the -ul- to be the Verdurian diminutive.
<p>Hmm, with dissimilation, the root could also be CULUL- or COLUL-; or with metathesis, CULUR-, COLUR-. Well, stay tuned for the exciting resolution; I offer
these meanderings as a glimpse into my thought processes while creating words.
<p>Cuêzi borrowings are usually pretty safe, especially in poetry; but
I don't think the Cadhinorians would have had to borrow a word for 'star'. ('Planet' is another matter; of course our word derives from Greek.) And if Verdurian innovated one, Ismaîn would probably share it. I'll have to check your derivations at home.
<p>The Cuêzi for 'planet' should be <b>dunalaldas</b>. (The alternation is my mistake, not the Cuzeians'. This is one of the first Cuêzi words I invented, and I hadn't settled on -as as the most common ending.)
<p>According to my sound change program, the Verdurian reflex of *ALALDOS should be <b>aláld</b>. My intuition says <b>alál</b>, however, to match <b>dunalál</b>. An alternative would be <b>alaud</b>, with the change l > u, but this change isn't supposed to occur before final D; compare ETALDOS > etald. But the rule isn't very firm, since there's only two words in -LDOS, and the D is retained in one Verdurian reflex and not the other.
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