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<p>Posted by <b><!--poster-->Irgend Jemand</b>
on <!--date-->8:48 9/29/01
<p>In reply to: <a href="193.html">Cadhinor through the ages</a> posted by Mark Rosenfelder</b> on 21:50 9/28/01
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Apparently, early Cadhinor <i>deceoran</i> meant simply "having sex with a woman
or girl one isn't married to" and the language, like many pre-modern cultures,
cared about wether sex was ok by the society's rules or not, but not that much
about wether the woman agreed. (Judging from the formulation, it was apparently
not relevant to the writers wether it was rape or seduction in modern Western
terms, allthough I guess it's pretty clear from the context that it was rape).
So I'd like to know wether it's the same with Verdurian <i>stupen</i>, or wether
that word actually means the same as English <i>rape</i>.
<p>Also, why is the girl in that text still called <i>gina</i> "girl"? Apparently,
Cadhinor had a different attitude on that than Verdurian, wich, as far as I've
heard, calls every female who has her <i>redel</i> behind her
<i>redelcë</i>, "woman". Talking of that, when you invented <i>redel</i>,
did you derive it from German <i>Regel</i>, or is that just change?
<hr><i>Mark responds:
<p><b>Deceoran</b> is literally 'to be impure', or in the dynamic tenses, 'to make impure'. You're right that the judges would not have made much of a
distinction between rape and seduction-- if Opogaros's daughter was willing, Ravoberac's crime would be the same.
<p>Verdurians do make a distinction between <b>acoturen</b> 'seduce' and <b>stupen</b> 'rape'. The individual matters more in Verduria than in ancient Cadhinas, and the crime against the woman is recognized.
<p><b>Redelcë</b> is a general term, replacing Cadhinor <b>saea</b>;
a young woman is <b>gina</b> in Cadhinor, <b>frälina</b> in Verdurian.
The latter word (but not <b>redel</b>, so far as I recall) is stolen from German... it took me years to think of a
native derivation (it's now related to <b>frälir</b> 'to bloom').
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